For those who defend Shiite blind-loyalty to Iran
Whenever I open this topic on my blog or with anyone people start defending Shiite; they are Muslims just like us, they are Arabs and not loyal to Persian but reading more and more in the news makes me more convinced with my believes.
AlJazeera hosts an Iraqi politician who happened to criticize an IRAQI Shiite person, in response to that, Iran banns AlJazeera from the Iranian parliament sessions. Ha! The guy criticized an Iraqi fellow, what does that have to do with Iran?
Not only that, during the visit of the Iranian president to UAE, an official from the Iranian embassy asked AlJazeera to leave a press conference for the Iranian president. What a rude action from the Persian or what a stupidity of the Emirates, Iran doesn’t have the right to do that, they are not on their land.
Iran as well closed AlJazeera office for 14 months for a similar criticism for an Iraqi Shiite religion man by an Iraqi fellow. This clearly shows how Iran controls Shiites all over Arabia and how they do blindly follow it.
Ask Arab Shiites about the Arabian Gulf, they will tell you no it’s the Persian Gulf.
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Rajee said
am May 15 2007 @ 2:14 pm
isn’t it strange that soon after Hiabouallah scored a devastating blow to Israel’s military might (with Iran’s help) while Sader and his followers have scored similar successes against US invasion troops (also with Iran’s help) that suddenly the Shiites became traitors? how can one reconcile the reality of successful Arab shitte resistance to imperialism with all the defamations they are enduring? How come only America and Israel’s foes are constantly being subjected to vilification? but those who collaborate are moderates and pragmatists? I am not rocket scientist, but something is wrong.
Abed Hamdan said
am May 15 2007 @ 2:54 pm
yeah sure.
They want us to believe that Shiites are the ones who occupied Iraq, and killed “our” “beloved” hero Saddam Hussien.
Sorry, but America occupied Iraq, and killed Saddam Hussien. And are committing massacres in Iraq everyday.
They also occupied Afghanistan, and are supporting Israel who happens to commit genocides every couple of months or so.
Excuse me, who is Iran again ?? a shitty developing country who still uses donkeys instead of cars, yet Arabs are afraid of them. Meanwhile American’s militant establishment are all over the Arab world.
Viva Arab!! and oh screw you evil Iran. The evil Persians, of course.
Yazan Ashqar said
am May 15 2007 @ 3:26 pm
Agree. The problem with Iran, and to be more specific, Shiaa, is that they want us arabs out of the map. The hate is religious and racial. Even if they say the opposite, and pretend to be friendly, thats all bullshit. Try to research about a term called “Taqyah”, and you’ll find wonders.
Samer Marzouq said
am May 15 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Muqda AlSader and his army has killed more Iraqis (Sunni) than America did. Shiite are not resisting Americans, it is forbidden by their Aya (Religious people).
Listen to the news and see where the Americans are focusing; Baghdad, Ramadi and Fallujah which are Sunni cities and they are the only ones who are fighting the Americans, and not the Shiite.
Abed Hamdan said
am May 15 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Samer:
sorry, but who occupied Iraq and allowed Shiite to come in ???
who gave Saddam Hussien the green light to fight Iran for 8 years ??
The Shiite militias are fighting side by side with the Americans. I’m not defending them, but without Americans they’re nothing. Americans allowed them in, and supported AlSadr at the beginning. Americans don’t care about Sunna or Shiites (or Saddam). When the American interest with Shiites end, they’ll bash the Shiites in one single night. Obviously they’re making good use of the Shiite hatred. Arab forgot who occupied Iraq, Afghanistan,Palestine, and South Lebanon. The new trend in the Arab world ==> The Evil Shiites (or Persians). ( Of course we must hate them, they fought the Israelis last summer).
I didn’t want to elaborate the discussion, but let’s not forget that 22 Arab countries are supporting the American invasion to Iraq. Why don’t we blame them as well ?? Why didn’t they stand for Iraq.
Iran has an interest in Iraq, It has nothing to do with Sunna anyway. Let’s not believe everything we hear at mosques.
This is my personal opinion: America occupied Iraq and they’re to blame. To hell with Iran! When we get rid of the Israeli occupation and the American occupation (ba3ed 1000 yrs 3al 3ayesh) then we can start building castles of fear from the “evil” Persians.
sorry for my long comment my friend, w asfeen 3al iz3aaj, enta a5 3azeez w 3ala 3aini w rasi
Raed said
am May 15 2007 @ 5:34 pm
For those who defend the Sunni Arabs’ (some of them) blind-loyalty to Amreeka and the Zionists.
The Iranians never interfered in ANY Arab country’s internal affairs except when they were asked to help in their liberation, when all other Arabs betrayed them and withheld help (except Syria)
As for the accusations that Shiites were behind Sunni murders in Iraq, that’s true to some extent. but never forget what some Sunni terrorists did to the Shiites, from bombing their holiest sites to mass slaughter of their women and children. How come when some our Sunni thugs kills Shiites we are OK with it, but when Shiites hit back they are after the destruction of the Arabd and Sunnis and are part of a grand design to help the Persians to dominate the Arabs? (I thought the Americans and the Zionists dominate the Arabs)
If any, the Shiites have done Arab liberation far more good than Sunnis. Just consider who is arming Arab resistance in Lebanon and in Iraq, Sunni and Shiite. Even the US had to admit the Iranians were arming Sunni resistance groups.
Common folks. Stop being Uncle Sam’s stooges. Stop being mouthpieces for arab despots who are wetting their pants at the thought small well-trained groups armed with conviction can stand up to the only armies in the region protecting their corrupt and despotic rules: amreekaan and zionists.
Abed Hamdan said
am May 15 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Who is fighting Shiites in Iraq ?? AlQaeda Kids, the fanatics who boombed Amman.
Those Alqaeda terrorists are supported by : 1) America 2) Saudi Arabia 3) Pakistan.
Bilal said
am May 15 2007 @ 10:02 pm
Yazan, I am shocked that you can say such things about millions of decent Muslims. You would not even dare say this about jews or Americans and they are killing sunni arabs daily. What’s wrong with you people.
Samer Marzouq said
am May 15 2007 @ 10:58 pm
I know that Israel & USA are our enemy, we all know that and they will be kicked out of this region sooner or later, just like any occupation force occupied this region, but what I’m concerned about is to expose the hidden enemy, Iran that is screwing up this region in the dark through Shiites.
And I said it before, I hope that I’m wrong about this issue.
Tage3 said
am May 16 2007 @ 12:20 am
Hidden enemies? Stop this backwardness. You never learned anything. The west closes ranks between religions and ethnicities to unite, while Arab morons speak as if they were living in the dark ages. THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY.
Samer Marzouq said
am May 16 2007 @ 12:25 am
yea right, duh!
Yazan Ashqar said
am May 16 2007 @ 11:31 am
@ bilal:
The fact that i say those things about Iran and Shiaa doesn’t mean that i will not say the same thing about the american(government) and Zionests(not jews). And frankly, Iran is becoming a bigger threat everyday.
For those who don’t know anything and think that the world is straightforward with a little of misunderstandng, just read about the Iranian Islamic Revolution, the Safawits, and the ther original religious principles.
3atshaan said
am May 16 2007 @ 12:13 pm
Yazan, anyone can write anything about anyone they hate for racist or ideological purposes. heck I can write a “history” book about how the Eskimo want to rule the world. What matters is actions today.
You can spend an eternity telling me how nice Zionists are but all I have to do is look at their daily brutality and inhumanity to non-jews. Decades of non-stop Zionist cruelty can never be disguised with a few “peace” papers signed by bloody despots who don’t speak on anyone’s behalf. Facts on the ground speak volumes.
By the same token, you can spend an eternity telling me how nasty and evil Shiite and Iranians are and quote this or that historian and all I have as proof is a decisive military victory by Arab Shittes won over Zionists, a victory that cost the Shiites hundreds of innocent lives and will continue to cost them more whule we stood idle or even collaborated against them. And then we have the US admission that Iran is funding the Iraqi resistances. I am afraid to say that most of the stuff about the Rafadeen and Safawits applies today to many Sunni regimes. Bullshit cuts both ways.
I could care less for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or what this history book or that history book says about Jews, actions matter more. Same for Persians, Indians, Georgians, Eskimo.
I don’t see Iranians invading anyone. But I see them and the Lebanese Shiite resistance fighting tooth and nail to thwart imperialist designs on the region. THAT’S all that matters. Conspiracy theories were never my forte.
Yazan Ashqar said
am May 16 2007 @ 2:48 pm
What i forgot to write that read (their) books, the Khomaini books. The whole purpose of my argument is abouthe shiaa islamic revolution basicly. Iraq is now a playground for all the intelligence agencies of the world, and a big piece is there for Iran, who are backing up their armed militias. Who said we don’t see them invading? What about the emirate islands? And by the way, it is true that hizbolla is fighting the ‘imperislist’ and the israelis, but in the end, it is to serve their own purpose, which is Iranian benefits. Don’t look at the surface of things only.
Kammoun said
am May 16 2007 @ 3:39 pm
i am afraid all I have to work with, as a fair and objective person, is what people do, not what bigots think they know about hidden intentions and agendas. I don’t do conspiracy theories. I did not go to school for so many years to subscribe to “beneath the surface” hogwash. I see a good deed, I admire it. I see a terrible deed, I condemn it and I don’t try to rationalize it. I find it totally laughable that Samer Marzouq who is waging his personal Fetnah campaign has never posted anything remotely hateful towards the Americans, who according to John Hopkins study, have killed over half a million Arabs or the Zionists who have done equally criminal deeds. But he found it in his heart to target Iran, a country the US and Israel consider the greatest threat to their domination in the Arab world. Something stinks and it’s not the Shiites nor the Iranians.
Samer Marzouq said
am May 16 2007 @ 4:00 pm
Kammoun, I did post against the Americans and the Israelis, and the third corner of evil triangle Iran. USA and Israel killed and are killing us but no one, not any Arab media is defending them, and unfortunately Iran is killing us and still we have people of us defending it, how ironic!
Yazan Ashqar said
am May 16 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Ironic and disgusting that some people think that attacking iran implies being oblivious about israel and US-zionest controlled gov!
Mohanned said
am May 16 2007 @ 11:07 pm
Bro, I had this debate before, I have seen reports on torture, I have cried but you are talking with people who were raised upon the conspiracy theory, they forget that shites consider 3a2sehah a whore, omar a pimp and abu baker a gold digger, they forget that they have a shrine for omar killer, why don’t they call the “persian” gulf, the islamic gulf?Did any of you ask this question? Do you know why people named omar are killed in iraq, do you know that sunni women are being raped infront of their husbands? do you know that more than 3 million iranians entered iraq? Do you that sunnies in iran are being persecuted? Who is Ayot alla? What kind of name is that? What kind of relegion tells you to kiss hands? Do you remember the hadeeth by Mohammed PBUH about how many sects there will be in islam? Do you know that one is in heaven?Do you know that before we fight our enemies we must clean our house? Have you defenders of shites ever met a shite cleric and listened to what they say about sunna? Did any of you botherer to search youtube for their videos?
Samer, god bless you, I am with you 10000000%
Mohanned said
am May 16 2007 @ 11:10 pm
And one more, Islam prohibits smoking because it hurts your body, so what about hitting you head with swords and whips? And don’t tell me its a minority, did you know that millions do that? Iraq since god created it was inhabited by killers!!I am just worried about jordan thats all!!
Merran said
am May 16 2007 @ 11:44 pm
mohannad, you are the epitome of see no good, hear no good, speak no good.
When you are a racist, you are a racist. but for the benefit of the readers I want to remind them that the leading Shiite scholars forbade mentioning the Sahaba’s name in vein. Heck even Jazeera had half dozen shows and interviews on this subject where Shiite scholars said again and again that there is no truth to these accusations.
But for me, even if the Shiite say worse things about the Sahaba and Fatema. My answer is simple: let God judge them in the afterlife. On earth, we must work on commonalities, just like protestants and catholics. Once, these two sects fought like hell. Today, morons like you who refuse to learn lessons of history are determined to repeat it. You are the Axis of Fetnah. If not Shiite Sunnai, then east vs. west banker, islam vs. Christians. you are fule for hate. Some Arabs you can dress them up but they are rotten and backward no matter what language they speak and what cloths they were.
Mohanned said
am May 16 2007 @ 11:46 pm
Do I smell Something?
Yazan Ashqar said
am May 17 2007 @ 12:32 am
Why dont we act like kids? Shiaa hated us first! He3, and how about that the angel jebreel had a mistake and instead of going to ali, he went to mohammad! Sometimes i think ignorance is a bless for some people. Only time will tell, and maybe history repeats itself.
Merr said
am May 17 2007 @ 7:36 am
“Shiaa hated us first! He3, and how about that the angel jebreel had a mistake and instead of going to ali, he went to mohammad!”
First, stop reading stupid Jordanian and Saudi government propaganda crap. many of the pro-division “lectures” being distributed on CDs, tapes, and on SAT TV have been linked to CIA directed funding with Saudi money.
Second, how many Christisns believe Mohammad is a real prophet? Yet we don’t go insulting them and accusing them with all sorts of nasty things, like you are doing to the Shiite, just because they don’t accept Mohammad. And just because centuries ago Christians marched to the Arab world as Crusaders and slaughtered god knows how many Arabs and Muslims, we don’t hold today’s Chrstians responsible for that bloody period. So if you want me to follow your logic on Iran and Shiites, better be ready to apply it to everyone else. And that will make you one lonely guy with no friends.
Mohannad, you are an agent of hate and division and civil war.
Merr said
am May 17 2007 @ 7:41 am
Muhannad: “Iraq since god created it was inhabited by killers”
wow! you are worse than I thought. and I always thought Iraq to be the cradle of civilization where man-made laws were first established and where hand writing was first discovered.
You are one sick Zionist puppy trying to distort the reputation of one of the Arab’s most proud people.
Tfeh 3ala askaalak.
Mohanned said
am May 17 2007 @ 8:09 am
Who ever you are,
Thank you for your kind words, wierd how always ignorants become the saviors and the uniters, anyways it is called zaman el shaglabeh, if you read history and stop listening to propaganda maybe wou will find the path to logic, but what will change? Nothing, you can’t reform what ignorance formed..
Amricans are now longing for saddam and al hajjaj, but time is late…Just god protect us from ignorance and haters..By the way this is not a reply to you, this is just a feeling I got after reading your logical arguments, wow, I have missed alot!!
Yazan Ashqar said
am May 17 2007 @ 11:28 am
Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. And as Goethe once said, there is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity, which is the way that ‘merr’ here does. From the way the language is used, you could feel the aggressive hate, which gives a little about the person’s identity. I’m not a reigious person at all, and so i do not argue from a muslim’s point of view. But what is right is right. We have a mutual hate with shiates, specially the Iranian radicals, and not necessarily with non-shiates Iranians. although there are some racist assholes. They hate us bad, and it is very dangerous, because they are hypocrates, they work from within, with their taqiyah bullshit, and if someone reads history right, the image will get clear enough. Peace and understanding doesnt solve anything, and sometimes morals should be ignored to do what is right. Again, only time will tell.
Jameel said
am May 18 2007 @ 8:16 am
Samer, many Sunni Arab governments banned Al-Jazeera from operating in their country while Israel does not ban the TV channel. Dose this mean Israel is good to us and Saudi Arabia and Algeria are dark forces who seek to destroy Sunni Arabs?
And how is arguing over the name of a gulf grounds of hating another people?
there are far worse problems between Sunni Arabs than between Iran and Arabs. Morocco and Algeria, Jordan and Syria, Lebanon and Syria, Iraq and Kuwait, Lebya and everyone else, etc.
Instead of fanning the flames of sectarian hatreds we should find common grounds with those whose culture and religion (and even names) is an extension of Arab culture.
Samer Marzouq said
am May 18 2007 @ 9:10 am
Jameel I know, but yet no one is defending the USA and Israel, but you still find people defending Iran and are more loyal to it than to their countries.
Persians are riding the back of Shiite Arabs and are3 heading to Arabia, I guess time will tell.
Jameel said
am May 18 2007 @ 9:49 am
You know Samer, I would not shed a tear if Iran or China or India takes over all the oil in the gulf. the gulfy arabs have squandered the arab oil on worthless US luxury products, leaving tens of millions of Arabs poor, illiterate, and sick.
when 90% of the oil profits go to support US economy, who pay the favor back by supporting Israel, and only a token amount helps educate needy arabs, i could care less what happens to this oil.
Right now, we have half-a-dozen weakling arab oil “states” who rely on the US for protection, and in return, the gulfys offer “protection money” in the form of massive and senseless expenditures on worthless US luxury goods and services, items with no value to the long term progress of Arab progress.
the Gulfys have decided long time ago they are not part of the arab world (with the launch of GCC and restrictions and mistreatment of Arab workers and their families), so why should I care what happens to them. Their money has a corrupting influence on Arab politics, islam, and Arab culture. To me, they are an American military base. They have fought Arab progress and undermined Arab nationalism and socialism and have promoted a mutant version of Sunni islam that tolerates killing of innocents, cohabitation with imperialism, promotes “zena” in the form of Misyar marriage, and channeled their energies to fight the USSR (US enemy) and Iran (US enemy) and now they are funding projects that promote sectarian hatreds, while pushing for normalization with Israel.
So Iran or China or Russia can help themselves to the Arabian Gulf and oil and they can name it the Calvin Kline Gulf for all I care. The Gulfys have destroyed Arab nationalism and Sunni Islam, so all that remains now is a growing anti-imperialist movements. And those who support the imperialists will go the way of the Do Do.
yashar said
am April 12 2008 @ 2:01 pm
Dear Mr Jazar, I an Iranian and quiet accidentally, i happen to have been born in a shiite family (however non my family are believers, and nor am i), but there is one thing that i would love to contribute here to your blog, and thats that its people lke your good self that we have t fear not iran, or america. as long as we have people who are quite willingly adding fuel to the burning fire of sectarian violence in middle east, and have shut their eyes to the simple fact that what we need now the most is unity not division, we will not go anywhere. Mr Jazar lets stick together beyond our religious beliefs and our territorial boundaries and unite middle east, otherwise for many centuries to come we have to slave away under the misapprehension of our american, british, french and etc. “friends??????”. lets not add more to our pain and lets not quite obliviously trap ourselves in a dark destiny where there will be no scape from. hope and hope and hope to see a united estates of middle east very soon …..
yashar said
am April 12 2008 @ 2:33 pm
my good lord,
i hadnt read the rest of the comments on this page and read some of them after i posted my first post. i cant believe how ignorant some people can be. this is ridiculous when you see people so ignorantly blank out the main danger and consume their precious time turning a potential friend into a an enemy. Guys no matter what iranians are and what they (including myself) believe in, but whether you believe me or not we still have much more in common with you then do american and your other western “friends????”. so lets not squander the time and chance by pointless and illogical squabbling, lets put an end to shiite and sunni issue and lets realize that the real enemy has disguised itself in friendly skin.
moreover guys take the gulf and call it the what ever the F gulf if its the only thing you care about, and if the gulf being called the “persian gulf” is the source of all evil in our region. but one thing i know for sure is that soon it wont be called neither persian nor arabian gulf, but it will be called “we-enslaved-them-and-they-never -noticed gulf”. hope to see some sensible logic arising from the east of middle east.
and many thanks to those who spoke sensibly and without any biased thinking.
Samer Marzouq said
am April 12 2008 @ 2:49 pm
yashar, thank you for this comment.
Yes we need to unite but frankly I don’t see it happening, Mahdi army killed Sunnis more than what Americans did, I once saw a debate on AlJazeera station between a Sunni and Shiite, the Sunni guy was talking about the ultimate goals of Mahdi army, which creating a chaos and massacres so the long waited Mahdi appears and the save the nation, he mentioned that such an army with such bloody goals appeared in Iraq before, the Shiite guy couldn’t deny this…
Believe me, I always hope that I’m wrong, but I’m not seeing anything on the ground that convince me that I’m wrong.
yashar said
am April 12 2008 @ 3:22 pm
Dear Samer,
I too am aware of the problems, and have nit turned a blind eye on the facts, but what if the reality that we see is somewhat different when it passes the peripheral point?? what if the shiite militia that is going on a killing spree is supported by someone outside the region (e.g. USA)? then i guess it can no longer be a Sunni Shiite issue, would it? but the pain is that how easily we can be manipulated by the mere images shown by the media. what if the reality is different? Look im not a fan of conspiracy theories and that kind of crap, but seriously something is not right…. you can take a look at these two news clips and may be thengs start opening up and shadows of fear and suspicion slightly fade. http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=1313&thisview=item
http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=1321&thisview=item
.. I STILL BELIEVE IN POSSIBILITY OF CREATING A UNITED MIDDLE EAST, only if we stop listening to others, and start realising that its them who dont want us to unite, for our union would terminally jeopardize their supremacy. Samer impossible is nothing if we show that we want things to happen…. lets only hope.